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Posted by lil' jimi on November 11, 2005, at 10:47:09
"Lock 'Em Up and Throw Away the Key!"
uh, i say, "no, PLEASE!" ...
try out
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20051111/D8DPUVS80.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/11/politics/11detain.html?ei=5094&en=ef324454cb3a79c4&hp=&ex=1131771600&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print
http://ccjr.policy.net/proactive/newsroom/release.vtml?id=39165&PROACTIVE_ID=cececdcec8cecac8ccc5cecfcfcfc5cecec6cbc8cbcbc6cecac5cf
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001083.html
http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2005/11/habeas-schmabeas.html
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/013079.htmlbut there is more to come:
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/013080.htmlpersonally, i feel sort of outraged like ...
... to be civil like about it ... you know?
if the accused don't have rights, do any of us have rights?
so, what do you think?
Posted by lil' jimi on November 26, 2005, at 2:16:57
In reply to Habeas Corpus rights for Americans, posted by lil' jimi on November 11, 2005, at 10:47:09
> so, what do you think?
well, here's what i think:
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Detainees Deserve Court Trials
By P. Sabin Willett
Monday, November 14, 2005; Page A21
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/13/AR2005111301061.htmlAs the Senate prepared to vote Thursday to abolish the writ of habeas corpus, Sens. Lindsey Graham and Jon Kyl were railing about lawyers like me. Filing lawsuits on behalf of the terrorists at Guantanamo Bay. Terrorists! Kyl must have said the word 30 times.
As I listened, I wished the senators could meet my client Adel.
Adel is innocent. I don't mean he claims to be. I mean the military says so. It held a secret tribunal and ruled that he is not al Qaeda, not Taliban, not a terrorist. The whole thing was a mistake: The Pentagon paid $5,000 to a bounty hunter, and it got taken.
The military people reached this conclusion, and they wrote it down on a memo, and then they classified the memo and Adel went from the hearing room back to his prison cell. He is a prisoner today, eight months later. And these facts would still be a secret but for one thing: habeas corpus.
Only habeas corpus got Adel a chance to tell a federal judge what had happened. Only habeas corpus revealed that it wasn't just Adel who was innocent -- it was Abu Bakker and Ahmet and Ayoub and Zakerjain and Sadiq -- all Guantanamo "terrorists" whom the military has found innocent.
Habeas corpus is older than even our Constitution. It is the right to compel the executive to justify itself when it imprisons people. But the Senate voted to abolish it for Adel, in favor of the same "combatant status review tribunal" that has already exonerated him. That secret tribunal didn't have much impact on his life, but Graham says it is good enough.
Adel lives in a small fenced compound 8,000 miles from his home and family. The Defense Department says it is trying to arrange for a country to take him -- some country other than his native communist China, where Muslims like Adel are routinely tortured. It has been saying this for more than two years.
But the rest of the world is not rushing to aid the Bush administration, and meanwhile Adel is about to pass his fourth anniversary in a U.S. prison.
He has no visitors save his lawyers. He has no news in his native language, Uighur. He cannot speak to his wife, his children, his parents. When I first met him on July 15, in a grim place they call Camp Echo, his leg was chained to the floor. I brought photographs of his children to another visit, but I had to take them away again. They were "contraband," and he was forbidden to receive them from me.
In a wiser past, we tried Nazi war criminals in the sunlight. Summing up for the prosecution at Nuremberg, Robert Jackson said that "the future will never have to ask, with misgiving: 'What could the Nazis have said in their favor?' History will know that whatever could be said, they were allowed to say. . . . The extraordinary fairness of these hearings is an attribute of our strength."
The world has never doubted the judgment at Nuremberg. But no one will trust the work of these secret tribunals.
Mistakes are made: There will always be Adels. That's where courts come in. They are slow, but they are not beholden to the defense secretary, and in the end they get it right. They know the good guys from the bad guys. Take away the courts and everyone's a bad guy.
The secretary of defense chained Adel, took him to Cuba, imprisoned him and sends teams of lawyers to fight any effort to get his case heard. Now the Senate has voted to lock down his only hope, the courts, and to throw away the key forever. Before they do this, I have a last request on his behalf. I make it to the 49 senators who voted for this amendment.
I'm back in Cuba today, maybe for the last time. Come down and join me. Sen. Graham, Sen. Kyl -- come meet the sleepy-eyed young man with the shy smile and the gentle manner. Afterward, as you look up at the bright stars over Cuba, remembering what you've seen in Camp Echo, see whether the word "terrorist" comes quite so readily to your lips. See whether the urge to abolish judicial review rests easy on your mind, or whether your heart begins to ache, as mine does, for the country I thought I knew.
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The writer is one of a number of lawyers representing Guantanamo Bay prisoners on a pro bono basis.(end of washington post article)
>>>>>>>... and i think i am grateful on our holiday weekend that i am not among the prisoners locked away at camp echo or camp x ray or some other more secret prison delibrately beyond the reach and protections of the law ...
... prisons run by the government of the united states; run with u.s. tax dollars ...
... that wouldn't have been legal in the country i used to know ...... compared to adel, there are no problems in my life ... never have been ...
Posted by lil' jimi on December 5, 2005, at 2:36:33
In reply to Re: Habeas Corpus, y'all!, posted by lil' jimi on November 26, 2005, at 2:16:57
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10316560/
i am trying to think of what i can say about this that is civil.
i feel a deep angry revulsion and screaming outrage.and shame.
what does Khaled Masri feel?
which American Principles rationalize this?
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